IN-CAMERA 4: Max Forsythe.

DAVE: Where did you grow up?
MAX: I grew up in Newry in Northern Ireland, a great place to live before religion destroyed it.

DAVE: When did you take your first picture?
MAX: Probably in my teens, my uncle was a wedding photographer, so I used his half plate camera.
I took a lot more serious pictures on a trip to the US when I was 18.

DAVE: What was your first job?
MAX: I was an Assistant Art director at what was then Hobson Grey.
I was fired after 3 months.

DAVE: How did you get into an ad agency?
MAX: I did some ads at the London College of Printing,  I was lucky enough to be under John Gillard who taught me what an idea was.
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y finest was an ad for a police recruitment brief with the line ‘Not every Tom, Dick, or Harry can be a Bobby.’
This got me my first job.

DAVE: You worked for the legendary CDP art director Colin Millward, tough?
MAX: Colin was a tyrant, but he was always on our side.
He insisted on good work and but then insisted that the work was sold to the client.

DAVE: Who were your influences at the time?
MAX: Robin Wight, who I worked with, and John Hegarty.
We would meet for lunch regularly and collect ads from New Yorker and Esquire.
We are still good friends and meet often to put the world to rights.

DAVE: Do you remember which ads you cut out?
MAX: VW, Chivas Regal, Avis, there was a wealth of inspiration.Max Forsythe, Ford -'Why We Killed The Anglia', CDP-01DAVE: You worked on Ford, did that mean you were in Alan Parker’s Group?
MAX: No, I was in John Salmon and Arthur Parsons group, by this time Alan was making movies in the basement.Max Forsythe, Ford 'Two For The Price', CDP--01
Max Forsythe - Friends Of The Earth, 'Wipe Out', Euro*DAVE: CDP were probably the best agency in the country, why leave?
MAX: Robin and I got an offer to go with a talented guy called Richard Cope to set up an agency. We couldn’t refuse.Max Forsythe, Richard Cope ad-01Max Forsythe - Leslie Davies 'Robin Wight', Richard Cope*
DAVE: What a freaky photo;  Robin Wight isn’t wearing a bow tie. What was  he like to work with?

MAX: Robin was great, he was very analytical and also a great copywriter, he believed in ‘interrogating the product’ until we arrived at a viable concept.Max Forsythe,, GEC - 'Test Card'*.*png-01 Max Forsythe, GEC - 'Eye Chart* Max Forsythe, GEC - 'Breakdown'* Max Forsythe - GEC 'Bulb', Stephen Coe, Richard Cope*

DAVE: Which photographers were you working with, or wanting to work with at the time?
MAX: Stephen Coe shot a lot of still life for me, and I worked a lot with John Claridge
.Max Forsythe - Club Med 'Uncivilised', Euro*Max Forsythe - Club Med 'Last Thing', Euro* Max Forsythe - Global 'Jewels', Richard Cope*DAVE: What happens between Euro and you being a photographer?
MAX: I realised I was better at taking pictures than agency management, so with the courage born of deep ignorance I set up a studio and starting taking pictures.Max Forsythe, Golden Sytup self promotion poster-01
DAVE: What was the first image someone paid you to produce?
MAX: I can’t remember, I think it was a Birds Eye shot for art director Arthur Parsons, but he was taking a considerable risk.
I can remember doing a lot of midnight reshoots.
Max Forsythe - Bill Thompson Clipping, Direction Magazine-01Max Forsythe, Commercial Union 'Snow', WAHT-01
DAVE: Who was the best Art Director you worked with and why?
MAX:  I have worked with some very talented people, but Gary Denham springs to mind for his sheer irreverent creativity.

DAVE: Who were your early photography heroes?
MAX: Bill Brandt,                            William Eggleston,
Bill Brandt - Cobbles, Dave Dye   William Egglesto, Max Forsythe, Dave Dye
Harry Callahan (not ‘Dirty Harry’), but perhaps I was more by David Hockney, Harry Callahan, Max Forsythe, Dave Dye   david_hockney__sunbather, Dave Dye:Max Forsythe
Van Gogh,                                                            Matisse and of coursevan-gogh-Max Forsythe:Dave Dye   Matisse Verve
Edward Hopper.
Edward Hopper:Max Forsythe:Dave Dye

DAVE: How did you graduate from small table-top still lifes to grand landscapes?

MAX: An Art Director called Nigel May trusted me with a shoot for Ordinance Survey.
It was right at the time that travel became a lot cheaper and location shoots became more possible.
The next big shoot was a six week shoot in the US with Ken Hoggins.
Ordnance Survey 'X' Cracknell-01Max Forsythe, Ordnance Survey 'Motorways', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Ordnance Survey, 'Open Road', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Winston 'Buildings'-01Max Forsythe, Winston 'Taxis'-01
DAVE: Did you prefer Art Directors to give you a tight brief or an open brief?
MAX: I prefer them to tell me what they want the picture to say rather than what they want it to look like.
Max Forsythe - Shell 'Rambler's Guide', Derrick Hass-01
Max Forsythe Direcction Cover, NY-01Max Forsythe, Nike 'Blurry Building', FCOMax Forsythe, Nike 'Lightening', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Nike 'Aston Villa, FCO Max Forsythe - My Office, Direction Magazine-01Max Forsythe, Ilford 'Beach', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Ilford 'Pier', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Ilford 'Hay', FCO-01Max Forsythe, Ilford 'Binman', FCO-01-01
DAVE: I love the Ilford campaign you did for FCO, it could run today, (if they still made roll film?). Hang on, Ilford – FCO, Nike – FCO, Ordnance Survey – FCO, I see a pattern emerging?
MAX: FCO was not a large agency but was one of the best in London at the time,
I worked a lot with Ian Potter the CD, and we produced a lot work I am very proud of.
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DAVE: Your early work was uber-colourful, did you ever shot black and white?
MAX: Yes, I don’t think I was ever comfortable with it, there were a lot of people doing it better.
I felt that colour had been much maligned.
Black and white was art, colour was what you got from Boots.
Very few disciplines have ignored a major development like photography has ignored the creation of colour film.
I published a book called ‘Colour Prejudice’ in the 80’s to argue the case for colour, and had the first colour exhibition that Hamilton’s Gallery had ever hosted in 1984.
Max Forsythe, Cover of 'Colour Prejudice' book-01Max Forsythe, 'Fairground', From 'Colour Prejudice'-01 Max Forsythe, 'Green Phone', From 'Colour Prejudice'-01 Max Forsythe, 'Red Diner', From 'Colour Prejudice'-01  Max Forsythe, 'Red Seats', From 'Colour Prejudice'-01Max Forsythe, 'Red Dye', From 'Colour Prejudice'-01
DAVE: You’re obviously very interested in composition, particularly playing with graphic shapes? I remember an old friend of mine, Derrick Hass, (he’d hate being referred to as ‘old’) bringing in one of your posters and saying ‘Look, it’s just like a bloody Miro’.
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MAX: Spanish Playground… It’s still one of my favourite pictures, it is one of the rewards for always carrying a camera.
Even when going for lunch in a small Spanish town.
I studied Graphic Design at college, not photography, I didn’t have a lot of the baggage that photography students can pick up.

DAVE: Having been a successful art director, did you find it difficult accommodating art directors?
MAX: The opposite, I understood what they were trying to achieve and understanding that perversely gave me more freedom.
I don’t think I ever fell out with an Art Director or had a serious disagreement, their contribution was almost always constructive.
Max Forsythe, B&H 'Chameleon', CDP-01
DAVE: Photoshop would make this B&H image sooooooo much easier now.
But would you end up with a better result?
MAX: No, it would just be easier, the best thing about that ad is Nigel Rose’s idea.
Max Forsythe, B&H, Pack piece-01   Max Forsythe, B&H, Cinema piece-01 Max Forsythe, B&H, Glass piece-01   Max Forsythe, B&H, Wall piece-01Max Forsythe, B&H 'Heat of the night', CDP-01
DAVE: Has the whole birth of image manipulation lead to better images?
MAX:
It has managed to elevate mediocrity to acceptability.
But there is no substitute for being able to ‘see’ pictures rather than build them. 

DAVE: Which ads were you most pleased with the final result?
MAX:
Probably the ads I shot for Land Rover over several decades, they were great locations and normally great ads, with very few restrictions.
The Land Rover clients were the best in the world to work with. new-discovery-etc-small-47388 image_3692 tbimage_3688
DAVE: I love the ‘Flesh Tints’ spreads, have you done much editorial?
MAX: I have shot very little editorial, I wish I had shot more, but I started shooting with Wendy Harrop at Interiors Magazine, and then later with Ilse Crawford and Claire LLoyd.
All very talented ladies from whom I learnt a lot, I enjoyed the totally different disciplines.
  Max Forsythe - Flesh Tints' 1-01Max Forsythe - Flesh Tints' 3-01Max Forsythe - Flesh Tints' 2-01image_1798DAVE: One of the reasons I wanted to talk to you and a few of your contemporaries is that I’m struck by just how strong and expensive your images look compared to a lot of images around today?
MAX: The simple answer is that they cost more.
Advertising agencies were the gate keepers to sales, press and posters were important media and it was worth spending money on the production.
As clients now have many other ways of generating sales the agency’s power has diminished and the client is now demanding ‘cheap’ as most of them can’t tell the difference.

DAVE: I remember you talking to me about the idea behind Lensmodern when you launched in 2006, ‘People will be commissioning less and less so we are making it possible for them to access high quality images’, or something to that effect.
A pretty good hunch?
MAX: Yes and No. The market for good images in advertising is diminishing.
The demand now seems to be for Royalty Free, dirt cheap images that are being used on the web.
Perhaps the big wheel will turn and clients will realise that in general, good is more successful than mediocre.

DAVE: Which photographer would you’d love to join Lensmodern? Name them, we could do a live ‘shout out’.
MAX:
No, there are too many.
Max Forsythe, 'Baby'-01
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DAVE: How do you get young art directors to understand the difference between your archive and Google images?
MAX: They do understand, but good work is more expensive and clients are increasingly unwilling to pay for it.

DAVE: My kids give a song about 10 seconds before deciding whether they like it or not.
Why not?
They’ve made no financial investment.
Also, there’s a million more songs out there lined up for them, free and ready to go.
Photography used to cost a fortune, so people took it seriously and treated it with respect.
MAX: Unfortunately, in the absence of critical judgment people use price as a benchmark for quality. Speed and access are now more important.

DAVE: Finally, which photographers do you admire today?
MAX: Mostly guys we represent like
Andreas Heumann,                                                       Ashton Keidtsch,  Andreas Heumann:Max Forsythe:Dave Dye   Silhouetted people and kites
Jaap Viegenthart, and many more, the measure is…”I wish I’d taken that”.
Jaap Vliegenthart:Max Forsythe:Dave Dye
Others are my son Luke                                        and Steve McCurry.
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DAVE: Shot anything good recently?
MAX:  Of course, old photographers never retire they just go out of focus.
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NB. 
Max Forsythe, Creative Review Article, 1984-01Max Forsythe, Direction magazine article*Max Forsythe - 'Best Use Of', article-01

 

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